In case there was any confusion (and if you've been reading USPP posts instead of skimming them, there's not) the US Pirate Party is not the Pirate Political Party (PPP), nor is it the Pirate Party of the United States (PPUS). The USPP recognizes the right of alternate Pirate parties to exist. It's especially important to have a decentralized network of Pirates when one of the Pirate parties does something crazy (like endorse a homophobe, card-carrying Libertarian). If one head of the Pirate hydra goes down (or sells out), another can take its place. It works for file sharing sites, and it works for political parties. For those interested, the links to these other parties are, and have always been, listed along the margin of this blog under "Pirate Links." Or you can click below.
Here's the
PPP:
Here's the
PPUS:
The USPP is moving away visually from the "P" design, which is really the sign for the European Pirate movement, and replacing it with our beloved eagle. That being said, the USPP was founded by disaffected, former PPUS members, and the USPP and PPUS both benefit from the volunteer work of a single web designer, so you may see the occasional "P" pop up now and then (see Myspace), but they are on their way out. So these three make up all the American Pirate parties to our knowledge. If anyone digs up any new American pirates, send us the link and we'll add them to the list!
All clear?
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Slight problem.
ReplyDeletethe PPUS is LEGALLY and OFFICIALLY the "United States Pirate Party" (and I know that, because I've sent you links to the official documentation)
Basically, you're saying you're not this legally registered political organization, but you're going to use their legal name.
Also, the 'P' logo "is really the sign for the European Pirate movement". Someone better tell Australia, Chili, Brazil, Columbia, South Africa, New Zealand and Canada then, as they all use the 'P' logo.
Mike, you'e already admitted you're willing to commit fraud, and that you're completely ignorant of the legal requirements for a political party (or even how to search for basic legal documents). You even showed your willingness to perform fraud (although you did take down the paypal and cafepress accounts after I pointed out you committed services fraud by opening them in the name of a legally registered organization to which you had no link)
Pirate Parties work WITHIN the law, not outside it.
Andrew,
ReplyDeleteSince you've been involved with the PPI, I understand how you tend to overvalue the international aspect of the pirate movement as opposed to the actual work being done at the national level. But you are not Karl Marx and the PPI is not the Communist International. The sooner national pirate parties realize this and start promoting pirate values in a national context, the sooner we will see those values realized. Finding a more appropriate logo is just one small step in this contextualization.
Now, I realize that this type of nationalization might diminish somewhat your sense of self-importance, but we all have our own cross to bear.
Best,
Mike
The US Pirate Party network has less than a dozen active members. Really really active members, that is. I just don't get where the idea of schismatic projects comes into play as a 'good idea' for such a small community.
ReplyDeleteJust don't get it.
Hi, I'm the Campaigns Officer for Pirate Party UK.
ReplyDeleteMy view is that US Pirates can go down one of two roads:
1. unite to form the basis of an effective Pirate Movement in the USA (though sadly the electoral system is against you)
2. form multiple splinter groups, acting out in real life the forum scene from Life of Brian
So people, it's your choice: do you want to do something effective, or are you going to let the RIAA and MPAA take away all your rights?